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By:
nutritionist
Date:02-Aug-15
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Yes, some of you already have heard me voice my words about deer minerals and nutrition. I spent the past 3 days at an event and it seems everyone's trying to get into the game. Very few of these people understand deer and ruminant nutrition and the game is all about getting a fancy bag and a celebrity to endorse it. Many of you might not know i have been in the business for 24 years and have formulated mineral and other ruminant and deer nutrition products for people all over the US.
That being said, My goal with starting my online business and sponsoring on here is to educate people. So, with those words i attached a spreadsheet i put together today showing the formulas for many popular deer minerals and the one i sell. Look over them closely and then look at the prices on many of these.
And i'm giving you all a heads up. I started my online business, in my Grandpa's honor to raise money for youth hunting and education. I will be releasing a new product that i will donate $2 per every bag of mineral directly to the local chapters of hunters education in the areas where i have dealers set up. I have numerous people who are going to be involved in this venture and it will also spill over into the food plot seed side of Grandpa Ray's as well.
I believe our future is our youth. I'd rather see profits that come from wildlife products going back to worthy causes. There will also be a discount program for everyone on bowsite.com to give back to many of you who have been so wonderful to me. I also believe many of you think like me and want to help our youth, disabled hunters and those who might even be make a wish participants.
Stay tuned on here and my grandpa ray outdoors website for this unique program.
Learn how to read tags and know what your buying. Most products on the market are not true deer minerals but attractants. Many have a fraction of the nutrition that our deer need to balance out their diets. Most also are not containing natural attractants to deer.
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By:
B N A A guy
Date:02-Aug-15
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Great information John. Looks like you definitely have put a lot of time and effort into carving your own path with a quality product that can actually benefit a deers body and not just attract them. Good luck in 2015 and thanks for showing us the true analysis.
Also kudos on stepping up for the younger generation of hunters that we desperately need.
Best regards, Scott Alberda
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By:
nutritionist
Date:10-Aug-15
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Here i cleaned up the spread sheet a wee bit. Note i put some product names on there.
Note that the daily requirements for deer for the following are:
copper 10-20 ppm zinc 40-80 ppm manganese 40-80 ppm selenium .3 ppm
note that some people even take blood samples to check on the levels of the above. 75% of all forages are deficient in zinc. Now take out your calculator.
say a deer consumed 1 1/2 oz per head of a deer mineral say the deer mineral has 1500 ppm of zinc 1500 x .1 = 150 ppm if a mature deer has a daily dry matter intake of 4 lbs 1500 x .1 / 4 = 37.50 ppm diet density
now note that zinc oxide is 25-50% less available than zinc sulfate. Note that zinc proteinate and zinc polysaccharide is 30% more available than zinc sulfate.
So if two deer minerals have similar consumption levels and one uses zinc oxide and the other zinc polysaccharides, your looking at only 38% of the bioavailability.
So, this is why when i formulate deer feeds, deer minerals and deer supplements, i use sulfates and polysaccharides. I also use about twice the trace minerals than most companies and they are at times 2.6 times more bioavailable. The end result is 5-6 times more bioavailable nutrition.
This is why many of the deer formulas drive me wild. They make a lot of claims that are not supported by science. If people buy deer minerals, i want them to at least know what they are buying and look closely at tags.
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By:
drycreek
Date:10-Aug-15
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Thanks John. This is good info. I do put out minerals and next time I'll put out yours. I only put them out from about Jan. to June/July. Is that about right ?
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By:
stick n string
Date:10-Aug-15
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Great info John. Thanks as always
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By:
nutritionist
Date:15-Nov-15
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I know we are revisiting this a bit but i updated the spreadsheet to include trophy rock. So many people do not understand that product. It is a very nice product but it is not a mineral supplement. It is a salt source with a small amount of trace minerals. There is 60 trace minerals where as many trace mineral block have 6-8. But, look at the sheet to see how the levels of trace minerals compares to other mineral mixes.
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By:
dmandoes
Date:15-Nov-15
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what minerals do deer get from eating corn, soybean, alflafa, and clover? do they get the recommended daily allowances form eating those crops?
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By:
dmandoes
Date:16-Nov-15
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anyone on here have the crops checked for forage quality?
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By:
nutritionist
Date:18-Nov-15
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corn has 8.5% crude protein .04% calcium .30% phosphorous soybeans are 38% crude protein .28% calcium .65% phos alfalfa is 15-22% crude protein 1.3% calcium .30% phos ladino clover is 22% crude protein 1.4% cal .35% phos
i am a ruminant nutritionist. My clients send in forage samples all the time. You cannot balance a diet unless you have forage analysis. The days of guessing a ration ended in the late 80's.
I was involved with a trial by the UW on my client who was the first discovery farm in wisc. I was sampling forages every week in the next paddock that the cows were going to enter. A lot was learned from that project.
Many claims in the deer industry are skewed. If people wanted an accurate comparison of forages, most should be done at 60 days after planting. That is the typical maturity for many legumes, grains for forage and brassicas. The claims of 37% crude protein in ladino clover is crazy. They must have sampled it around day 30 after planting and that protein level would only last a couple days.
Alfalfa loses about 1-4 points of relative feed value every day after blossoming. The advantage of clovers over alfalfa would be they lose protein, minerals and energy slower than alfalfa. The alfalfas will out yield clovers by 2-4 times.
Nothing beats alfalfa under perfect pH and growing conditions on units of energy, protein and minerals per acre. But it's all about balance, bodiversity and planting the right forage for your soil and goals.
Side note....i do plant tissue analysis, forage analysis and soil testing. If you have deficiencies in your soil, they will show up in your plant tissue or forage samples and vice versa.
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By:
meyerske
Date:27-Nov-15
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How about Lucky Buck? That has a good reputation.
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By:
Drahthaar
Date:27-Nov-15
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do you dig a hole in the ground and pour your minerals in ? or do you offer them in another way ? Forrest
